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go for it bro

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welcome to shattered reality with your

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kate valentine and ferusha

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prepare to have your paradigms shifted

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into truth questioned and now

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shattered reality well hello there

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shattered reality listeners my name is

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ferocia

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and i want a slate for you today

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is tuesday march 26

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2019 and this

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is our 86th

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show um we've been on the air now for i

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three and a half years and we've been

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doing shows

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since uh three and a half years ago

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i guess it's 2016. sometimes i say some

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obvious things out there people

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in any case we have a very

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interesting guest for you today this is

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a person

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who has been a listener to shattered

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reality

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and she's actually someone that i know

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and she finally came out to me

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about her personal experiences

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with the paranormal so we're gonna have

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an extended

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listeners corner today and i would like

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to introduce you now

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to our listener kate hello kate

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hi felucia how are you i'm doing very

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very well and

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so you were telling me

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about a few different experiences that

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you had

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with your sister um do you want to start

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with that

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sure my younger sister uh

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always was very very sensitive and

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always as we call her psychic and she

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seemed to have an

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instinct even as she got older with all

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kinds of little things happening

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but this first incident we were young

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there were three sisters we all slept in

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one little boo

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the girls had bunk beds and i was across

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and she would sit up in bed

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sometimes you know eight nine ten when

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you're in a little room with two other

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people and somebody sits up in your kid

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you're always well what the matter what

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are you doing

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and i remember this time

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she got up and went out into the living

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room so of course being kids

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we followed her out into the living room

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she was sitting with my mother on the

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and she said i saw grandpa my grandpa

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had lived

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downstairs in a house that he built when

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he came over from italy

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and he had died and maggie said

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i saw grandpa and my mother said

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really where was he she said sitting

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next to me on the bed

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and i'm standing there just watching i'm

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a kid i'm 12 maybe

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and my mother said how did he get into

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the bedroom

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she said he came in the window wow my

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mother said

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wow grandpa loves you i guess he came to

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and that happened another two or three

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and i remember in the morning getting up

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and again i'm 12.

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my sister's staying grandpa came again

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last night

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maybe three times in all that i could

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remember and he

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sat with her and spoke with her

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and i always remembered that and i

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wanted to see grandpa too but

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maggie was special well what did grandpa

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say to maggie do you recall

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i i'm trying to recall again it was a

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while ago

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but she was going to be all right

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things were okay i i believe that was it

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he said how are you feeling you'll be

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and i think he told her he missed her

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she was the quiet one

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okay okay do and and now this all

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happened in hudson county new jersey

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it it did in hudson county yes

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and were there any other people in your

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that were at all psychic or had uh

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experiences of this nature

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my younger brother was 12 and a half

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and my mother died very very very

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quickly and very tragically

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needless to say we were all i was 21 or

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something we were all young

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and he refused to go to the funeral my

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father begged

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threatened cajoled he would

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not go to the wake or the funeral so we

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all left the house

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and left him well because we had to go

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sure family

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right and when we got home my brother

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very very bright they say too smart for

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very bright was sitting on the couch

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with his head in his hand

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upset very horrific and he said

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i was not sleeping i was not dreaming

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he said mom came walking down the hall

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to my room

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and i said what and he said listen to me

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i wasn't sleeping i wasn't dreaming

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she opened the whole door i heard the

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noise and she walked

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down to my bedroom and looked in on me

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wow and i remember just getting home

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from awake

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which these days are short and sweet but

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then they were

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three days long and as i said my mother

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was young she died she was 51.

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so and she was very very

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well um did did she say anything to your

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your mom i think

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she said she was sorry she died very

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was out and married

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he was the last one who was very late to

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her and i think

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she said she was sorry

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she couldn't help it yes but he never

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yeah the time has come apparently

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right and he never ever got over

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now i know you and i know one of our

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other uh our other listeners corner

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guests and i happen to know that

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this lady who was also on the show

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probably lived within a couple of blocks

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of where you live

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uh also half italian

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um half italian half portuguese an

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and a psychic in her own right uh which

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june ponte and she gave her full name

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um she is a somewhat public figure in

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she has a gallery and shows her very

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nice artwork

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she had a number of ufo

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and sussex county new jersey she made

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some experiences with uh the

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um the the people who have passed away

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ever had any

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ufo experiences or did that run in your

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family since

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you and she uh you know could almost

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virtually be related or cousins or

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something because she literally lived

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well it was common knowledge in our

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neighborhood when i was young that

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ufos think to be seen over north bergen

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and we would laugh

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because it was you know a lower middle

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area with lots of kids you know

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but there was a park and

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many times it was supposedly seen

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that ufos landed in this particular park

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right right that yes in the 60s when

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ufos

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landed and i was there one day but

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i can't honestly stay but

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right after i got there it was a big

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and i remember because we at kids you

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know to get to the park you were lucky

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it was all inner city so

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there was not many parks around we got

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up and got to the park we were lucky

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you know we lived it was all very very

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the buildings were very close

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like available like three four months

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and then be gone and then

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again you see them and we'd always say

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what are they looking for

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here however we were right on the water

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opposite manhattan

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right right that that was uh like the uh

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the park that led up to hudson county

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looking over to manhattan

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and it's very famous um kate because

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a gentleman who has left us recently uh

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left the earth recently uh named bud

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hopkins who is very famous

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in terms of people uh who've been

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abducted by ufos

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buildings on boulevard east which is

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what we're talking about

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now and uh the doorman saw a craft come

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and perch itself uh right there

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on the park the the sort of sort of like

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a strip of park

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boulevard east and

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uh i do recall a lot of people talking

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sightings in hudson county park right

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basically the border between um

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hudson county and bergen county there so

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yeah and you would go ahead

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and you would think it's so crowded

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because you when you think of a

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ufo sighting you think of a lonely ship

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this was quite the inner city yeah so it

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was interesting

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that you know it was very crowded and it

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many people

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one person here and there

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was in ufo lingo i

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i don't know if you know this uh when

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there's a cluster of sightings

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it's called a flap just like a group of

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crows is called

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a murder of crows a group of ufo

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that's interesting so uh tell us

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uh by the way if there are any other

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psychic experiences

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well again the same sister that grandpa

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came to visit uh we were older

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and uh she was sleeping on the couch

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my younger brother had died and he never

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got over my mother so

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yeah so yeah so he died

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at like 35 okay so she's sleeping on the

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and she feels something like if you took

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your finger and snapped it against your

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teeth

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that little thingy feeling if somebody

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went and

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pinged your cheek right and

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in the middle afternoon no one was gone

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and he felt this

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thing and he took the [\h__\h] and she sat

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up

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because this thing on her cheek and she

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looked up

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and my brother's head was floating above

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her

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wow and she freaked out i think

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there was no one home he did not think

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he did not have a good

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look on his face this was not long after

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he had died

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i don't know maybe less than a year and

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he died

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the reason i have to just interrupt and

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you can

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choose not to say if you chew it's fine

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by me you know that's

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okay you don't have to divulge

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everything but did he take his own life

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because that would be a big reason why

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somebody uh might not look too happy

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yes he did okay i'm really sorry kate

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sorry to hear that

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um generally speaking um you know

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once you pass everybody is forgiven of

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everything but when somebody

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it's thought and now i am not an expert

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on what happens after you die since i'm

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still alive

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and i have not have i have not had a

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true near-death experience

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so it would the best person to speak

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about this too if you wanted more

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information

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is someone who has had near-death

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experiences but to my best

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understanding of the subject when

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somebody takes their own life

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occasionally what happens is they need

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to go

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through almost like a course of study in

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the afterlife you might say

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in which they look at what

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brought them to this act and i i'm being

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very simplistic about it

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and then once they get beyond

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um and they realize the let us say the

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error of what they did that they can't

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escape from

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their self their self is still there you

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know you can't

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if if you if you do such a thing you

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still have consciousness

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you are disembodied you no longer have

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your body but you still have your

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consciousness

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so you realize you didn't get away from

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yourself

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which is the often the point of an act

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of this nature

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so um i'm i'm sure that

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within a matter of a short time he

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was absorbed up into the greater light

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and joined all of the people that he

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knew

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relatives in france who may have

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predeceased him but

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sometimes when someone takes their own

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life they first

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have a integration period let's say

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for realizing what what they've done and

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what's going on so

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you should not worry that he is not okay

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now because

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from everything everything that i know

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and have learned um

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there is uh he he will be just fine he

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is just fine

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so what did your sister have to say

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beyond that

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about about that instance do you recall

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well she was taken i mean especially

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since she felt the pain on her face and

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there was no one else home

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and she said it hurt so she was like

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the the the pain on her face it was like

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somebody took her finger

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you know so she freaked out he looked

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bad

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so she was hanging around at that time

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one of her girlfriends hispanic

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girl hispanic woman at that time

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had an old old room on union city

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and she told she was telling her

389
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girlfriend this story

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and her girlfriend told her mother

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well her mother who was an older much

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older woman at the time

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flipped and said get get to a church go

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take your girlfriend and get to a church

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immediately

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see the light he lightning

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light and so this older woman urged her

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daughter

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who was my sister one of my sister's

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dear friends

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to get to a church they went like they

402
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went that day or the next morning

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and lit as many candles as they could in

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a church i think in union city

405
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and they she said just show him light

406
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show him light

407
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he's he's restless he has to find it

408
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yes well that that is something that i

409
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hadn't thought of that he hadn't yet

410
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uh you know gone up to the next level

411
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but even when a person goes up to the

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next level

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they do sometimes have an integration

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period before they can

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say join their relatives and friends uh

416
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in the afterlife uh but there is such a

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thing as a

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a wandering spirit purportedly on the

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earth and that could be

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it could be that too but he did need to

421
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be guided to the light that is a

422
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that is a good that woman gave

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gave your sister and um and her daughter

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good advice

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and i'm sure that your brother is doing

426
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much better at this juncture

427
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um was there any um was there any

428
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day new ma any any um after

429
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anything anything happened after that

430
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with this situation

431
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uh with the brother did he appear again

432
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at any time

433
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no not not that i've had dreams

434
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that there was words and language and it

435
00:18:22,230 --> 00:18:19,919
felt very real but i can't

436
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actually say my sister actually thought

437
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she said it was

438
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his head and floating and by the way

439
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just to add on

440
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the woman you know her girlfriend's mom

441
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the older lady

442
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was in her area pretty renowned psychic

443
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i don't know her name she was an older

444
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lady that people went to

445
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for all kinds of little things again

446
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back in the

447
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union so this woman she wasn't just a

448
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grandma who said that she

449
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had you know helped a lot of people and

450
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talked to a lot of people

451
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so she was an adventurer i guess it's

452
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the

453
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word that you see um in

454
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in west new york and union city on

455
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bergen line avenue

456
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consultant so yes sir

457
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that's wonderful she had a name before

458
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:10,320
you had a name for it she was

459
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:13,760
already happening okay well that's

460
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:16,320
that's very very cool and i wonder if if

461
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they went to

462
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saint michael's monastery because that

463
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was certainly a big

464
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huge catholic church at the time a huge

465
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um a very interesting very um

466
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:30,480
not a catholic myself but i'd been

467
00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:32,880
inside it a number of times and it

468
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:34,080
really was

469
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:36,480
a very impressive church and it's really

470
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:37,520
so sad

471
00:19:42,750 --> 00:19:40,320
at this juncture that it is now um

472
00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:42,760
apartment buildings and that it was

473
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:45,120
re-purposed i'm glad they didn't tear it

474
00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:45,840
down

475
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:48,960
but it's so sad that such an edifice

476
00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:52,080
like that would be um would be

477
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:58,160
kind of uh no longer in existence

478
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:01,360
in any case so um do you have some other

479
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:02,480
stories to tell us

480
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:05,280
i i know that uh first let's finish with

481
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:07,120
your family do we have anything else

482
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:10,000
about the family

483
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:12,080
well i you know i just thought of this

484
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:14,000
as your you were talking

485
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:17,120
to me and saying near death uh

486
00:20:21,669 --> 00:20:18,960
this just came to me it's so funny i

487
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:21,679
haven't thought about it in years

488
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:24,799
when i was young i read i'd say my 20

489
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:27,360
i was lots of ear death experiences and

490
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:27,840
i

491
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and one day now my mother had me at 33

492
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:45,760
so by the time i was in my mid-20s

493
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,960
she was what you know late 50s right you

494
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:50,559
said she died at 51.

495
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:53,679
or or no i'm sorry she started 55. 55.

496
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:55,760
okay right before she died right before

497
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:57,360
she died i guess i was 20

498
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:01,120
you know i i'm trying to remember and

499
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:04,320
my mother had twins and she knew she

500
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,280
nearly died

501
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,760
they had to revive her so she was gone

502
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:09,120
like two to three minutes

503
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:11,280
but in those days you didn't tell people

504
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:12,880
that you had a

505
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:15,679
near death experience or what you saw

506
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:16,400
never

507
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,880
because especially a woman they say you

508
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:20,880
were crazy you were neurotic

509
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:22,640
and my mother was scooby because she

510
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:24,080
never told anybody

511
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:25,760
but i remember on the same like i said

512
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it was about a year before she died

513
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i guess it was 2400 or something or 20

514
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i throw the light and i said what

515
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she said you know when i had your

516
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:43,600
sisters i had twin sisters she said

517
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:46,080
i was gone and i didn't understand what

518
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,520
i was reading live after life

519
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:49,440
she said you're reading about it i said

520
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,559
why didn't you tell me

521
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:52,320
and she said that's something you tell

522
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:54,799
people she said they don't believe you

523
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:57,440
and she told me that she tumbled and

524
00:22:02,149 --> 00:21:58,159
tumbled

525
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:02,159
and it was dark and then she saw light

526
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:06,000
but she was not admitted in and

527
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:08,559
she was pushed back that was the word i

528
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:09,360
think she used

529
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:12,400
pushed back but

530
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:13,919
upon looking at all her records in the

531
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:16,240
hospital she died for like a minute

532
00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:19,520
and they had to revive her but she never

533
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:22,000
ever told anybody but she just remembers

534
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:23,600
tumbling in the dark

535
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:26,720
and then getting to some sort of light

536
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:29,200
but only to be pushed back and refused

537
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,559
and they revived her

538
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,640
well that's i'm so glad that she was

539
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:34,559
there for your twin sisters

540
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:37,760
uh at least for part of their lives

541
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:40,159
she didn't happen to mention if there

542
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,520
was a being

543
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:43,600
that she saw that pushed her back or it

544
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:49,029
i you know i can't remember i can't i

545
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:50,240
was young and

546
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,080
i can't remember i i don't know

547
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:57,120
i don't know uh i got the sense from the

548
00:23:02,630 --> 00:22:59,120
language it was a force

549
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,640
okay but i don't know some people

550
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:04,320
you know people have different

551
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:05,679
experiences

552
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,640
but they do sort of there are there are

553
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:10,000
similar

554
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:15,440
like some people never see the tunnel

555
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:17,120
other people see the tunnel

556
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:20,080
but they almost everybody sees a light

557
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,200
of some sort

558
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:23,360
and when they see the light some people

559
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:24,640
are met by

560
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,760
uh actual relatives like uh say

561
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:29,760
in your mother's case maybe her father

562
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:31,760
or mother

563
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:34,159
and uh in other cases sometimes a

564
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:35,679
religious figure

565
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,039
or a just a person

566
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:42,480
of some form of authority so a loving

567
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:43,200
person

568
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:45,679
it's usually a loving presence that they

569
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:46,880
see and some people

570
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,000
are let in part of the way they begin

571
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,240
to see things like a meadow and they

572
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:54,240
walk in and they see people

573
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:56,320
walking through the meadow and the and

574
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:58,000
things are like um

575
00:24:01,269 --> 00:24:00,159
much more brilliant the colors are much

576
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,279
brighter than

577
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:03,600
uh we see here on earth the color that

578
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,400
mostly

579
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:06,880
people always talk about the brilliance

580
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:09,600
of the colors in the afterlife

581
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:12,640
but uh not everybody sees the same thing

582
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:15,520
and people get turned back at different

583
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:16,240
junctures

584
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:19,279
along the pathway to the afterlife

585
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,840
if you if you follow what i'm saying

586
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:23,760
yeah yeah and she was turned back i

587
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,559
don't know whether

588
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:27,039
three minutes or two minutes would be

589
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:28,960
the timing how far

590
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:31,520
you know maybe the time maybe she just

591
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:33,200
got revived and

592
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:36,240
you know got pushed back because

593
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:40,080
you know she was she was revived

594
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:43,679
i'm just looking to see life before

595
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:47,600
life is probably life after life

596
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:50,000
okay because life before life is jim

597
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:50,720
tucker

598
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:53,760
is a fellow who works at um

599
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:56,400
who works at the university of virginia

600
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:57,840
uva dops

601
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:02,159
he's uh he's a famous um uh

602
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:05,360
past life uh researcher so it's life

603
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,400
after life uh we i i believe it was it

604
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,720
was one of the first ones out

605
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:12,799
maybe it was another one of his i i

606
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:14,320
think it was life after life

607
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:17,120
okay well i i don't have it i i just had

608
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:18,240
life before life

609
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:21,039
but be that as it may are there any

610
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:21,520
other

611
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:23,200
things in your family that you would

612
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:24,640
like to talk to us about

613
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:27,360
any other psychic events because this is

614
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:28,240
good this is

615
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:31,679
that one yeah that was you i you jogged

616
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:33,120
my memory when you said

617
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,480
near death experiences and uh i

618
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:38,400
i remember so shocked that day when my

619
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,159
mother said that because i was so into

620
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,000
researching it you know and she

621
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:44,880
said well i had that experience no i

622
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:45,360
can't

623
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:48,400
think of another at this moment

624
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:50,799
i can just remember my brother saying i

625
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:51,760
wasn't asleep

626
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:55,120
mom came here and uh

627
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:57,440
you know the only other incident that

628
00:26:02,070 --> 00:25:59,679
happened to me was actually happened

629
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:02,080
to a boyfriend of mine who's living in a

630
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,600
house with

631
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,840
five other guys and he went home that

632
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,520
night and he was eating in the kitchen

633
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:09,360
with another guy you know these guys are

634
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:10,559
like 25

635
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:13,679
and he was eating and he looked into the

636
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:15,279
living room of this house these guys

637
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:16,400
rented

638
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:19,840
and he saw an old woman

639
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:22,960
with sort of like a a cape on a shawl

640
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:25,760
afterward with her arm around a young

641
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,320
girl

642
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:28,320
and then she was just walking across the

643
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,360
living room

644
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,880
and he said to the guy he was eating

645
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:32,480
with his roommate

646
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:35,200
do you see that and his roommate looked

647
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:36,840
and he said

648
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,760
yeah unbelievable what kind of clothing

649
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:40,960
period clothing

650
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:43,360
uh could you place a time frame on that

651
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:46,960
or uh not sure like 1800s 1700s or

652
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:50,000
i'd say i'd say 1800 because she had a

653
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:50,880
shawl

654
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:54,159
and a bun and the little girl looked so

655
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,960
raggedy and then he said to his friends

656
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:59,039
and his roommate that he was eating with

657
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,880
what do you think and he described the

658
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,320
same thing he was saying

659
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:04,400
i thought that was pretty unusual that

660
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:05,440
two people

661
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:08,240
saw the same thing well and in the

662
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:09,120
living room like

663
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,760
15 feet away she was walking through the

664
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:13,760
room

665
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,159
maybe maybe 1800s like i don't know what

666
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:18,240
is 1819 something

667
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:21,679
uh 1800s as the 19th century

668
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:23,840
uh they would be wearing uh you know

669
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:24,880
long dresses

670
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:28,559
and um it was a long dress they told me

671
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:31,679
and a shawl yeah i guess it's hard i

672
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:33,200
guess it would be hard to

673
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,640
to delineate a certain amount of time

674
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:39,279
for people who weren't rich they would

675
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:40,159
probably wear

676
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:44,159
sort of similar things from around 1880

677
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:47,679
back to the 1700s so it would

678
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,960
if they were people of um you would say

679
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:53,279
modest circumstances they didn't

680
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,399
necessarily

681
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:56,880
keep up with the latest fashions that

682
00:28:02,549 --> 00:27:59,760
people in the drawing rooms of paris or

683
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:02,559
uh the nightclubs of new york city might

684
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:03,520
be wearing

685
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:06,960
so that the styles for the peasants

686
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:09,039
so to speak would not have changed

687
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,159
hasn't stopped

688
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,480
vastly i remember because i quizzed him

689
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:14,640
endlessly

690
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:17,679
very interesting yeah that is very very

691
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,799
interesting and

692
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:21,600
uh skeptics would say this is a folly uh

693
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:22,559
do

694
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,760
uh but i would i would disagree but the

695
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,120
one thing that would make

696
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,200
this sighting different from the

697
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:31,679
sightings of your family members when

698
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:35,279
people had recently passed on

699
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:39,440
um is that this type of a sighting

700
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:43,440
uh is generally not considered to be

701
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:47,039
like a full-fledged ghost but rather

702
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:50,320
more like um a like

703
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:53,919
like a piece of a soul that didn't join

704
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:55,600
the rest of the soul

705
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:58,880
due to a traumatic experience and it's

706
00:29:03,190 --> 00:28:59,919
more like

707
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:03,200
an echo of something in the past

708
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:06,320
than it is like a full-fledged

709
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:10,640
um spirit or ghost and one way that

710
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:14,080
things are delineated in that regard

711
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:18,559
is that these echoes of the past

712
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:22,399
these like maybe little shards of a soul

713
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:25,200
echo from the past is that they don't

714
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:26,960
usually respond

715
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:30,480
to the people that are present so that's

716
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:33,600
where we would sort of um

717
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,200
look at that's what we would ask

718
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,760
the man uh the two men in this

719
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:41,600
circumstance

720
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:45,520
if they felt that these apparitions

721
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:48,320
uh acknowledged them or not because

722
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:49,200
people

723
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:52,080
uh seeing an apparition walk through a

724
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:52,720
wall

725
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:55,760
like uh sometimes soldiers are seen like

726
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:56,480
civil war

727
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,799
soldiers frequently are seen by people

728
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,159
for whatever reason

729
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:03,039
i think in the like the gettysburg area

730
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:03,919
for instance

731
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,720
a civil war soldier will be seen walking

732
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,120
through a wall and walk right through

733
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:11,600
another wall and walk out of the house

734
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:12,159
but

735
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:15,440
never acknowledge the individual who's

736
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:16,880
seen

737
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:19,919
him and that would be

738
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:23,600
like an echo or a shard of a soul

739
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:26,640
and um there are certain things that can

740
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:27,919
be done if it

741
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:31,440
if it recurs frequently which would be

742
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,480
a kind of soul retrieval might help but

743
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:36,399
often this is just a

744
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:44,149
yeah yeah i i it sounds like that

745
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:48,399
that's what it was like i don't know so

746
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:51,760
you have really been um a wonderful

747
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:55,120
guest here kate and i so much appreciate

748
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:58,000
you being on uh before we say goodbye to

749
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:58,480
you

750
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:01,760
would like to

751
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:04,799
uh share with us of this nature can you

752
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:07,519
i i think that i think that's all i've

753
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:08,480
got today

754
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:12,240
okay well keep in touch keep listening

755
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:15,440
to shattered reality podcast and um

756
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:17,519
now you're going to have your own show

757
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:20,399
on shattered reality podcast so

758
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:23,039
uh so i'm gonna i'm gonna say goodbye to

759
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,679
you and

760
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:25,919
we'll hang up and we'll just do a few

761
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,159
announcements

762
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:30,640
thank you thank you kate bye now talk to

763
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,640
you soon

764
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,640
so that was really kind of interesting

765
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:37,120
uh miss kate there she has quite a

766
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:38,240
family and it's

767
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:41,679
it is kind of uh fascinating to me

768
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:45,039
how how close in the neighborhood and in

769
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:46,000
time

770
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:49,840
basically that she um she was to our

771
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,039
previous guest who was a um

772
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:55,200
a listener's corner guest uh the very

773
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:57,120
very artistic

774
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:00,240
miss june ponte um

775
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:03,279
and um just to wrap this show up

776
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:06,799
uh i want to give a little feedback

777
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:10,000
from our last show and i've gotten

778
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:13,279
three letters of feedback and

779
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:16,000
uh people with different opinions and i

780
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,080
hearken back to one of my

781
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:20,640
one of my sort of unbeknownst to him

782
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:21,519
probably

783
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:23,760
mentors which is howard hughes of the

784
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:24,799
unexplained

785
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:27,679
and he always talks about uh on his show

786
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:28,720
how you can't

787
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:30,640
you can't please all the people all the

788
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:32,000
time and

789
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,000
um last episode we had a very nice uh

790
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:38,159
interview a very enjoyable from my point

791
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:39,200
of view interview

792
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:42,480
with mike clelland um and he

793
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:45,519
uh is the owl man and um

794
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:49,760
one of our uh one of our uh listeners

795
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:52,080
mentioned that i talked about myself too

796
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:53,200
much and he

797
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:56,399
didn't like that so i'm sorry to him

798
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:59,360
however i got two other letters with

799
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:00,480
glowing

800
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:06,080
the podcast one of whom was an another

801
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:07,919
listener's corner person whose name i'll

802
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,039
mention because

803
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:11,760
i know that she will like that and that

804
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:12,960
is stephanie quick

805
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:16,080
and she really liked the uh interview um

806
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:19,039
a whole lot she liked hearing about uh

807
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:21,679
the commonality of the experiences that

808
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:23,120
mike and i had had

809
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:26,000
how they were similar but different and

810
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,559
um

811
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:29,039
in addition uh one of our south of the

812
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:30,159
border colleagues

813
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:31,919
uh who i won't mention her name because

814
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:34,159
she didn't give me permission to do so

815
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:37,279
but she is a psychologist who lives in

816
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,080
mexico

817
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:40,799
and she really enjoyed the show as well

818
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:41,279
so

819
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:44,159
um different strokes for different folks

820
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:45,760
you can't please all the people

821
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:48,640
all the time i think old abe lincoln

822
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:49,679
said that

823
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:53,279
but uh so thank you to all three people

824
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:53,919
because

825
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:57,039
i appreciate all of your comments as

826
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:58,720
long as they're constructive

827
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:01,679
and even the person who didn't like uh

828
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,720
the

829
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:05,279
uh nature of that interview had very

830
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:06,000
constructive

831
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,200
things to say about it and i appreciate

832
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:11,040
all constructive criticism

833
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:12,960
and of course like anybody else i love

834
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:14,960
praise

835
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:18,560
i guess i'm not alone in that so before

836
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:21,119
we wrap it up i wanted to tell you

837
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,560
about our next guests

838
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,960
our next two guests which should be

839
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:28,320
coming in a few weeks we're going to

840
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:29,919
have a couple of weeks off

841
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:33,280
but we shall come back uh and

842
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:36,399
in force with russell targ

843
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:40,079
and lance mongia who are going to talk

844
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:40,879
about

845
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:43,760
the iteration of their movie the latest

846
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:46,079
iteration of their movie which is

847
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:49,599
third eye spies russell targ's

848
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:53,440
story about having worked extensively

849
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:53,760
and

850
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,119
basically invented the remote viewing

851
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:59,359
program along with a few other people he

852
00:35:03,670 --> 00:34:59,920
was

853
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:03,680
the founder along with hal put off and

854
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:06,560
a few other notable individuals and he's

855
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:07,920
going to talk about

856
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um starting that up and how he

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put it into a movie and what the heck

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actually

859
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did happen to the policeman

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pat price who died on

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an early death after doing incredible

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remote viewing

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so we're going to be back with that show

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in in the next month so thank you

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listeners so much

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00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,240
for tuning in to shattered reality

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podcast don't forget to like us

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on facebook and on our various

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shatteredrealitypodcast.wordpress.com

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and shatteredrealitypodcast.com we're on

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stitcher

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we're on itunes and we have

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a very nice youtube presence so

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like us in all of those places and we

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will like you

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in any case here we go goodbye